Wednesday, September 21, 2011
ACT III Antony
How does Antony use persuasive techniques in his dealings with the crowd at Caesar's funeral? What do you think was the most persuasive thing that Antony did or said to win the crowd over? People often use emotional appeals (pathos) to persuade. Why do you think that works well? How did Antony play to the people's emotions? What happens sometimes when people play to emotions too often? Give a specific example from your own experiences.
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Joshua Tedder
Antony uses his words to persuade the crowd. Antony uses the will to get them to be on his side and persuade them that the conspirators were wrong. He was using verbal irony by saying the opposite of what he really means. If you use emotional appeals to persuade then it will get the attention of your crowd and make them second guess of what is right. Antony played to the people's emotions by saying how Caesar really loved them. When people play to emotions too often the people tend to catch on to what you are trying to do. One time somebody wanted to persuade me to buy candy and kept on saying that it is great and delicious but I figured out that they just wanted to eat the candy I bought.
Alexis Ricard
Antony uses persuasive techniques to get the crowd to feel bad for Caesar. He mentioned things that the crowd needed to know for his evidence in his thoughts. The most persuasive thing he did was probably mentioning Caesar’s will and saying all the good examples Caesar did for the commoners. I think that emotional appeals work because they get people to have feelings for your cause or a person, like Caesar. They also get people emotionally involved which sometimes makes them like putty and you can mold them to make them think anything you want them to think. When people play with emotions a lot, especially when it’s yours or the same persons over and over again you kind of get sick of it and start to take up for yourself and what you believe in. Sometimes people can abuse their power of being able to have the ability to persuade people. For example, in cheerleading, everyone should work together, agree on the same things and be a team. To make a competition team look good it takes a lot of work and sometimes to find out what is wrong our team has to talk. When we have team discussions our coach usually mentions things that we need to work on and fix. She says things to make our team feel like they don’t look so hot so that we can try harder to clean it up and make things look better. When our coach feels like she has gone too far she calls another discussion to state all the progress we made so our emotions can be brought back to a high. The technique used is also playing with emotions and it makes our team have a lot of pressure on our self’s and fix the problem so we won’t be letting everyone down.
Alexis Ricard
Joshua Tedder: I don't think that Antony was really playing the people when he said that Caesar loved them, I believe that Caesar really did care for the commoners. I'm glad you mentioned what kind of irony Antony used because I couldn't remember! And i'm sorry about your candy incident, I will never sell you candy unless it really is delicious. (:
Antony uses his techniques by getting at the crowd's emotions and making them feel for Caesar. Antony plays with the people's emotions because he tells the crowd that Caesar wasn't ambitious because he leaves each individual person with 75 drachmas. (Act III, scene 2, lines 240-242) Caesar also leaves his private arbors and newly planted orchards for the people's pleasure. (Act III, scene 2, lines 247-252) I think that when people play with other people's emotions, the person who is being persuaded feels bad for the other person and tries to help them the best they can, but if you try to play with a person's emotion too much, it can become like the little boy who cried wolf, and nobody will want to help you anymore.
Brooke Tager
Jessica Binion
Antony uses his persuasive techniques to make them fell bad for Caesar and turn against the conspirators. He became very emotional in his speech and he also brought about the will. I think using emotions to move the people works so well because it shows that you really care. He played to the peoples emotions by sparking up his own emotions and then using the will to spark up theirs. when people play to emotions to often they start to think and relies that your acting.
Carter Tetanich
Antony uses persuasive techniques to make the crowd lift up Caesar's name and dislike the conspirators. The most persuasive thing I think Antony did was bring up Caesar's will. I think emotions can take over someone's mind and make them do things they would not have done if they weren't so emotional. When people play to emotions too much, the people they are trying to pursued can catch on to what they are doing. Antony does a great job of persuading the people just enough to make them love Caesar again. One time when I was going to buy a pair of sunglasses from a kid he kept on asking me when I could get them. I finally told him that he was bugging me too much and that i wasn't interested anymore. It ends up that he stole the sunglasses from someone and he wanted to get rid of them before he found out.
Carter Tetanich
Alexis Ricard: I don't think that Antony tried to get the crowd to feel bad for Caesar but to be mad at Brutus and Cassius. I think this because Antony wants a civil war to break loose and the only way for this to happen is if the plebians are mad at Brutus and Cassius, not mourning the death of Caesar.
Alena Senf
Antony is very clever about his choice of words, the ones he chooses doesn't go directly against what Brutus told him not to do, yet at the same time they put the crowd into motion. Antony uses plenty of evidence and true storis to help people to see his point. I think that the most persausive thing that Antony did was tell people about the will of Caesar. When the people saw how much Caesar loved them, they got angry and thats what lead them to wanting revenge on the conspirators. Emotional appeals work the best on people like me, they make you really feel for the hurt or sick or get angry about something. Pathos seems to work very well on most people because everyone has emotions, but no everyone is respectable or knowledgeable. Antony used the pathos technique by showing the crowd Caesar's blood stained robe and reading his will to them, this worked very well for Antony as the people ran off the burn down the conspirators' houses down. One thing that really gets to me are the commercials for pounds or for the children that need sponsering, I always want to help right away, but now that i've seen so many of those commercials over time, i just turn of the TV or change the website I'm on because I know I can't stand the guilt at not helping.
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Alena Senf
Josh Teddar:
I don't think that Antony wants really put the people against the conspirators, but he wants them to see that Caesar was better and that no one could replace him. I think that under all the words, he is trying to get the people to come to the conclusion that he would be a better ruler than Brutus.
The way he really uses persuasive techniques is tell them that he really is upset over all of this that has happened to Caesar, but also he is like trying to get them to see that he is really mad and he wants to kill the caspirators but he dosent wanna come out and say it because then he would be going against what he promised Brutus. I think that the most persuasive thing was when he started to tear up in front of the plebeians, I acually think that he does have a little sympathy and then again, I find it all a act and since Brutus knows what he's saying, he's not just gonna come out and say what he really wants. They way he played the people's emotions was by telling them how upset he was and how they must be upset too. Pssh, he was just playing them on like little barbies because they were to stupid to know right from wrong. I think when people start to play your emotions more, I think that you start wanting to believe them abd you start because the plebeians thought he was right because he was standing in front of all these stupid, sad people crying. One of my experiences would be like a person made me feel bad because of what I said and then after that you just feel bad and want to be sad everytime you see that person.
Maggie smith
Reply to Carter: I agree with you. The will I think sparked up the people's emotions because they saw what all Casesar had left for them and they then wanted to kill the caspiritors
The way he really uses persuasive techniques is tell them that he really is upset over all of this that has happened to Caesar, but also he is like trying to get them to see that he is really mad and he wants to kill the caspirators but he dosent wanna come out and say it because then he would be going against what he promised Brutus. I think that the most persuasive thing was when he started to tear up in front of the plebeians, I acually think that he does have a little sympathy and then again, I find it all a act and since Brutus knows what he's saying, he's not just gonna come out and say what he really wants. They way he played the people's emotions was by telling them how upset he was and how they must be upset too. Pssh, he was just playing them on like little barbies because they were to stupid to know right from wrong. I think when people start to play your emotions more, I think that you start wanting to believe them abd you start because the plebeians thought he was right because he was standing in front of all these stupid, sad people crying. One of my experiences would be like a person made me feel bad because of what I said and then after that you just feel bad and want to be sad everytime you see that person.
This one is maggie smiths. I forgot to put my name!
Antony uses several persuasive techniques these include Ethos or use of credibility- this is shown when the crowd wants him to speak (lines 70, 71, and 72 in Act 3 scene 2) so they can hear what Antony has to say – because of the credibility of his position and closeness of Antony to the late Caesar the crowd wants to listen and will consider what he has to say. He also used Logos which is the use of logic and reasoning to persuade, he does this by arguing that Caesar unlike what Brutus had previously stated was not an ambitious man because not only did he refuse the crown but he was always very generous to the people of Rome and loved them all and therefore how could he be an ambitious man, because these are not things an ambitious man would do (lines84-88, 90 - 91, and 94- 96 Act 3 scene 2). I agree, he was not ambitious but he was not killed because he was ambitious was he- he was killed because he could become ambitious and this scared the senators to the point where they saw it fit to kill him, but I still feel that and the mentioning of the will were the most persuasive things he did to stir up the crowd. But personally, I don’t think Antony even had to work as hard as he did to get the crowd stirred up because, they were so fickle and controllable. He also appeals to their emotions with Pathos by showing his own emotional state to them, he exposes his true sadness for his friends death although it was most likely embellished it was mainly genuine (lines 105 and 106 Act 3 Scene 2) – this can often move people to sympathize with the victim if the friends or family of them feel deep remorse. He also uses pathos when he brings Caesar’s forgotten “love” for the people back into their minds, he mentions the will and how Caesar- even in death- still loved the people of Rome (lines 27, and 28 Act 3 Scene 2) - if people think that they were loved by another it often moves them to feel the same. In addition he plays the plebeians like fools with the all the verbal irony and reverse psychology, he is constantly playing their emotions by saying things like “oh if forgot to tell you but there’s a will- but you can’t hear it” all his does is generate curiosity which if allowed to mature will increase the emotional reaction when the information is actually presented. Fortunately, he didn’t over do the emotional thing otherwise he would have lost the crowd because as simple minded as they are they can’t see a fake when it’s obvious enough. Also playing on peoples weakest attribute – their emotions can lead one to lose their credibility- their Ethos , which then because you don’t believe them anyway will destroy any chance of people believing your logos- or logical reasoning. So in essence the over use of one persuasive technique can annihilate the chances of the others working to. For instance when I was little my parents used to yell at me then say it was for my own good and that they loved me but after a while of getting yelled at too much you lose faith in the fact that they love you, even though it may be very true and all your own fault.
Carter Tetanich:
re:Alexis Ricard
I disagree I don't think that Antony was playing the people at all he was genuinely unhappy about the death of his dear friend. But your right he wanted to avenge it, and was trying to get back at the people who did it and the only way to do that was to start a civil war.
Caitlin Herron
Some persuasive techniques that Antony use is ethos, pathos and logos. Ethos is credibility or convincing someone through your character or reputation. The people trust Antony and think he is a trustable person and Antony plays this to his advantage. He knows they like him and he talks to them as friends or equals to
make them trust in what he says. He also uses pathos or appealing to emotion he tells the people of
how Caesar trusted Brutus and how he was Caesar's angel but he betrayed him. He also shows the people each spot where Caesar was stabbed to cause some emotion to come from it, to make the people feel the betrayalthat Caesar felt. He also uses logic when proving that Caesar was not ambitous he tells of the day Caesarmrefused the crown, this was evidence to prove he was not ambitous and the people believed him. I think the
most persuasive thing he did was show the stab wounds of Caesar and in Act 3 Scene 2 he said of Brutus' stab 'This was the most unkindest cut of all; for when the noble Caesar saw him stab, ingratitude, more than traitors' arms, quite vanquished
him. Then burst his mighty heart.' I think when Antony said this he made the people feel sorry for Caesar and made Brutus look like pure evil! He played the emotion card real well! I think this works well because it pulls on your heart, either in a good way or a bad way. If someone tells me of something bad that happened to someone I will personally feel sorry for them and want to help them in any way sometimes even without hearing another side of the story. Or if someone makes you feel good about yourself and make you feel powerful I think I would trust them and believe what they were saying. Antony played with the people's emotions really well. He made them feel sorry for Caesar when he told of how Brutus' cut was the most unkindly of all. He made the people feel that the conspirators where cruel and didn't care for Caesar at all. When people play to emotions too often bad things could happen to the wrong people. One time someone cried to me and told me a story of someone and how they hurt them for no reason and that this person was the worst person ever and I believed them without hearing the other side of the story so I never trusted this person or talked them and was sometimes mean to them
because I was told they had hurt my friend and the truth was my friend had did something worse them. I had felt sorry for
my friend and felt the betrayal she had supposedly felt from this person and it fueled anger in me that someone could hurt
their friend like that!
Caitlin Herron
re: Maggie Smith
I agree that Antony is trying to prove he is upset about Caesar's death but I don't think he is trying to let the people know he wants them dead. I think he is playing them into wanting them dead. I think he is putting his thoughts and ambitions into the people. Yes, he is not going to come out and say what he really wants so he can keep Brutus' trust. Haha I think he is playing them like barbies he is bascially controlling their every move.
Joseph Espinoza
Mark Antony uses persuasive tactics to make the crowd feel that Caesar should not of died. I think the Caesars will was the most persuasive thing Antony did and could of done. He already had the crowd on his side but when he mentions the will the crowd just goes all out for him. I think emotional appeals work so well because the crowd may think this speaker is really connected with them and this gets them to do what the speaker wants. Often times when people play to much on peoples emotions they often tend to catch it and that this person just wants them to think that he is connected with them. One time when I really wanted to get this thing game from my mom, I kept on giving compliments and working on her emotions but she caught it and decided not to get the game.
Joseph Espinoza
Reply to Joshua Tedder:
I would agree that he tried to persuade the crowd against the conspirators, but I think he wanted a little more than that. I think he wanted them to capture or kill them. And I don't think Antony was playing on the crowds emotions when he said he really loved them, I think he actually loved them to begin with.
Kayla Goodman
Antony uses three persuasive techniques (ethos, pathos, and logos) during his speech to the plebeians to turn them against the conspirators. (ACT III, Scene 2, ll. 73-230.) Antony uses ethos because he was a very close friend of Caesar and knew him well. The plebeians believed everything Antony said because of this. Pathos was used by Antony to get the commoners riled up. He not only used his own sorrows (ACT III, Scene 2, ll. 105-107), but he also used items such as Caesar’s will to make the plebeians angry that such a man as Caesar had been murdered. Antony used logos when he gave examples contradicting Brutus’s speech about Caesar being ambitious. Antony gave specific examples with proof to make the commoners question whether Brutus was lying or not (ACT III, Scene 2, ll. 86-98). I think that the will was the most persuasive thing Antony talked about, because it was the final piece of the puzzle that the plebeians needed to revolt. Once they heard that Caesar had left them riches behind in his will, they were furious (ACT III, Scene 2, ll. 240-250). Pathos tends to work well because it quickly and efficiently grabs people’s attention and causes them to act. Like I said above, Antony used the will to play on the commoner’s emotions. He also used verbal irony to spark the idea of rebellion against the conspirators (ACT III, Scene 2, ll. 216, 226-230). When someone uses pathos too much, people begin to ignore him. Nobody wants to be around someone who’s always trying to get them mad or depressed over one cause or another; it gets old. I can’t stand watching ASPCA commercials that ask for donations. I always feel like such a bad person after seeing all of the abused animals. I also hate it when someone tries to get me to hide someone else’s belongings (like a purse) in my book bag. When asked why, the person always says ‘Oh, it’ll be funny. Just do it.’ Somehow, I just don’t see how making someone panic over a missing purse is funny, so I say no.
Kayla Goodman
Alena Senf: I agree that Antony was smart to use Caesar's robe. I think the plebeians got really angry when Antony was pointing out which holes belonged to which conspirator's dagger. I don't think Antony should've let the plebeians go burn down the conspirators' houses, because that won't help anything. I agree with you on how those pound commercials are always trying to sell a guilt trip, they bother me too.
Catalina Zavala
Antony uses three persuasive techniques, pathos, logos, and ethos. Antony used ethos because since he was very close to Caesar, the plebeians trusted him and listen to his thoughts. He used logos when Antony gave several examples of Caesar not being ambitious, in lines 104-105, where he said that he presented the crown to Caesar three times and didn’t accept. He uses this to make Brutus and the conspirator’s reasons for killing Caesar-ambition-wrong. I think the most persuasive thing Anthony said to the crowd was Caesar’s will. Using pathos, Antony successfully captures the commoner’s feelings, hearing that Caesar left his riches to them. This turns the crowd wild; they seek revenge for the killers of a very generous Caesar. I think that using emotional appeals works well, more than the other techniques, is that people want to do what feels right to them in their hearts, not what the law or politics say. Like I said before, Antony uses this emotional appeal when he presents the will, and when Antony specifically points out who punctured every stab wound in Caesar’s robe. When someone plays people’s emotions too much, they will eventually stop believing the person, and ignoring what they have to say. Or if the people being played aren’t smart enough, they will gain so much trust in this person, they’ll become their puppets. An example would be when a group of friends have a certain leader who is very bossy, and manipulative, everyone else will be helpless because they see themselves below the leader, they won’t do anything to revolt against the leader.
Catalina Zavala
Reply to Alexis Ricard:
I agree that sometimes you will notice that you are being used, but in other situations, it’s horribly one-sided. Some people don’t have enough confidence in them to stand up for what they believe in or evidence to defend them; therefore the “user” will have gained more power from this. And I think this is somewhat of the case with the plebeians, they will take the side of whoever “sounds” right.
Tamara Price
Antony makes it look kind of like the Conspiracy are the bad people without really saying that. Bringing up the will is a big thing to win the crowd over. Antony also denies Caesar’s ambition. In lines 76-78 in act III scene 2 he says that Brutus noted his ambition. He says it was a serious problem and he paid for it now. I think the emotion appeals would work well at this point because they are in mourning of Caesars death and they aren’t very happy about it and they want to know why it had to be done. An example of pathos is when you want something really bad. You do anything in your control to get it done. Sometime I do that to my mom. I compliment her and just talk and talk until I get what I want. I know that if I make her mad it makes everything worse but being nice and complimentative works too.
Tamara Price
Reply to Cathy Zavala:
I agree with what you are saying. Pathos worked very well for Antony to get the commoners on his side. The people are going to do whatever makes them happy and what Antony is telling them makes them happy. (About all the riches left to them) And I didn’t think about a group of friends having one leader as an example. It is totally true and a great example. :)
Ashley Whisenant
Antony uses persuasive techniques to get the crowd against the conspirators, without breaking the rules Brutus told him. The most persuasive thing Antony did to win the crowed over was telling them Caesar’s will. I think this because in the will, Caesar states that he will give 75 silver coins to each lower class citizen in Rome. This shows the crowd that Caesar was not ambitious at all. Antony used Pathos really well in Scene 2 line 174-183 page 916, when he showed the crowed were each of the conspirators stab Caesar. This made the crowd feel pity for Caesar and made them furious with the conspirators. When people try to persuade you too much, you start figuring out that there just using you to get there way. Like one time, when I was on vacation in St. Martin, this crazy lady ran up to me an put this bracelet on my wrist. She was like its perfect for you, but i wasn't sure. Before i could tell her no thanks she was like your wearing it, you buy it. I knew then that she just wanted my money and gave the bracelet back to her.
Ayanna Wigfall
Antony uses persuasive techniques by making the people feel emotional for Caesar, when Brutus says that Caesar is ambitious (PG.910 L.25-26). Antony uses this against Brutus and says how could Caesar be ambitious when Caesar has done all of these great things for the people of Rome (PG.913L.88-97). Pathos work well in speeches because, it makes people reconsider things and makes them think differently. Antony plays to the people’s emotion by telling what good of a man Caesar was to Rome. When people play to people’s emotion they often get used and taken advantage of. My accounts of this would be when my mom asks me for a kiss and I say no then she replies one day I won’t be here for you to kiss me.
Ayanna Wigfall
Re: Jessica Binion
I agree that Antony wanted the crowd to feel bad for Caesar and wanted to turn the crowd against the conspirators. I disagree that Antony was using his emotions to spark up the crowd’s emotions, and that if you play with people emotions they will realize that you are acting. I say this because I believe that Antony was really angry and mad that the conspirators had murdered his friend and that he just wanted to get out his built up emotions.
Marcus Weeks
Antony uses his smartess with people to persuay the crowd against the conspirators. Since antony is very smart he knows how to work with people and get them to do something. The most persuasive thing that Antony did was pull the will out and read it to them. When the people heard that Caesar wanted the best for his people, that made the people really love Caesar. I think that emotional appeals work because they get people to feel sympathy for the person your are talking about. Whenever you feel sympathy for someone then you want the best for them and that is what Antony did to the Commoners. When people play to the emotions to often then people will start to think that you are trying to hard and they will start to think that you are just starting to make stuff up. I had an expierience with that on my baseball team where our coach would always give us motivational speeches and tell us stories. People started to think he was making things up.
Dillon Holzheimer
Antony is very persuasive speaker yet he played to their emotions more than anything. He used pathos and logos. He used logic by stating all the times Caesar did something that wasn’t ambitious such as refusing the crown three times. He played with the commoners emotions throughout all of his speeches. In his first speech (L73-107) he makes the commoners feel bad for Caesar and contradicting what Brutus had said before. Antony really got the crowd excited by mentioning the will. (L128-129) He then fueled their curiosity by saying that he wasn’t suppose to read it and if he did read it then people would worship Caesar. (L130-137) He also got people to feel extreme pity and cry over the death of Caesar. (L167-195) Antony was an excellent speaker. I think the most important line he said was when he mentioned Caesar’s will and read it to the people. He played with their emotions so much that he got them to tear apart the conspirators homes and some random poet on the street. I don’t know what happens when people play to emotions to much and I have no past experiences with it.
Marcus Weeks
Reply to Joshua Tedder
I agree that Antony played to the people's emotions by saying how he loved them but I think he meant more than that. I think that he wanted them to know that Caaesar was really a good person too. He wasn't just all for himself. Caesar didn't just want power. That is what Antony was trying to get the people to understand.
Dillon Holzheimer
Respond to Emily Pilot
Antony also used Logos because Brutus said that he gave Antony permission to speak at the funeral. I think that Antony went completely over board with pathos because of his extremely long speeches. But I agree with you that Antony can persuade people very well and in the end got the riot he wanted.
Caitlyn Taylor
Antony uses all 3 of the persuasive techniques when he is trying to convince the crowd that Caesar wasn't really ambitious and that he didn't deserve to die. He used egos by using himself as an example of how Caesar was good to him and that he was good friend's with him, pathos with showing what the conspirators had done to murder him, and logos when he gave reasons of all the good things Caesar had done for them and why the conspirators were wrong to kill him. The technique pathos was the most effective. He used pathos for most of his speech, and when he showed the crowd the robe with the 35 holes where the conspirators brutally stabbed Caesar it showed that it was more for themselves than for the good of Rome. Pathos is the best way to persuade because emotions can take over and cause a lot of people to make decisions based on those emotions. Although when people play to someone's emotions too often then those people will eventually stop believing anything they say and stop trusting them. I have had this happen with a lot of friend's that have tried to make me feel bad for something I've done when in reality it wasn't really my fault or anything worth arguing about.
Matthew Kilgore
In Antony's speech he repeats himself a lot, and uses a lot of verbal irony speaking about the conspirators. I think that what really won the crowd over was him using emotion in his speech like in scene 2 line 106 and 107 when he is saying his heart is in the coffin with Caesar and he had to pause a moment. Another thing I thought was effective was how he included the deed in his speech and what was in store for the people. I think that pathos is the most effective because people listen to their emotions most and they will do what feels right to them. Some people tend to be over emotional, but no body can really live without emotions. Antony talks about how Caesar wasn't really ambitious and how Brutus was noble but the fact that he killed Caesar shows how he was evil. I think people really can win others over with emotions. What I have done before was saying how I was tired to my parents if I didn't want to do it myself and sometimes it works.
Riley Farmer
Antony uses three types of persuasion (ethos, pathos, and logos) in his speech to turn the plebeians against the conspirators. When he speaks of how much he loved Caesar, how Caesar loved the people, and why Caesar wasn’t ambitious it really plays on your emotions. It persuades you because it shows that Caesar was a good man and maybe didn’t deserve to be killed. Ethos is implied before Anthony speaks because, he was close to Caesar and he is in the government. It is also implied when he says that he has Caesars will because not very many people could go to Caesars house. People trust him because of this. Anthony uses logos when he states each example contradicting Brutus’ speech about Caesar being ambitious (Act III, Scene 2 ll.90-99). But his most persuasive technique was when Anthony held up Caesars robe and pointed to where each conspirator had stabbed Caesar. I think this really played the plebeians emotions and got them riled up to go against the conspirators. Pathos works so well because when it appeals to out emotions we often put our self in their shoes and think with our heart instead of our brain and this makes us want to act on whatever they are talking about. This technique probably works better on girls than it does boys. Anthony also used pathos when speaking of how Caesar loved them so much that he left them things in his will. This is the last thing Anthony says before the plebeians get going. If you use emotions to much people start to see through the emotions and work through it logically and it doesn’t work as well. When the commercials of abused animals come on I usually have to look away because it is so sad and that is how it is meant to be because it is meant to make you feel bad and donate.
Matthew Kilgore
Reply to Joshua Tedder
I agree that Antony used behalf irony to win over people and he appealed to their emotions. I also think that people do tend to catch on to tricks but not always do they catch on if it is serious matters like Caesar getting killed.
Haven Hendrix
Antony uses all three types of persuasive techniques in his speach at Caesar's funeral. The first, egos, is used in the first part of his speech to establish his tone and his point. Like in ll.73-80 Act III, scene II, he states Friends, Romans, Countrymen, lend me your ears. Another type Logos is the use of logic or evidence to persuade one exmaple Antony used was the will in which caesar left everyone 75 drachmas. The last example and probly the most powerful one Antony used was Pathos. Antony used the robe to get to the commoners hearts and play with their emotions to persuade them agianst the conspirators. I think using this technique works so well becuase emotion often play a big role in the decisions we make. I think Antony played right into the emotions of the crowd, he caused them to feel guilty for thinking the killing was right and he caused them to get angry over the extent of the killing. When people play to your emotions to often it causes you to loose your sympathy for them and no longer want to believe or trust them. A personal exaample of mine is, there is a girl at my church who always has something wrong with her and if its not her its her children. At first I felt sorry for the lady but now its just like the feeling of whats wrong now?
Riley Farmer
Re: Joshua Tedder
I dont think that he got them to second guess what is right. I think that they really werent sure what was right and he just persuaded them to believe him instead of Brutus. Emotional apeal just makes you more emotional on what you already know, it doesnt cahnge your mind completly about something.
Caitlyn Taylor
Reply to Alena Senf:
While Caesar's will was an important part of getting the crowd to agree with him, I personally think that showing them Caesar's robe with all of the holes was what really made them understand the conspirator's true intentions. But I still agree with your comment on pathos being the best way to persuade because if you don't overuse it then you can usually almost always persuade people using this technique.
Haven Hendrix
Reply to Caitlyn Taylor's comment to Alean Senf
I also agree with caitlyn, and believe the robe was the more persuasive than the will. WHile the will did help him drill the point in i think the robe really made the crowd start thinking about what really happened and the true intentions of the conspirators. Along with you saying you think pathos is the most persuasive way, it can be but if it is over done it will lose its urpose or meaning.
Antony uses his persuasive techniques by getting at the crowd's emotions and making them feel for Caesar. Antony plays with the people's emotions because he tells the crowd that Caesar wasn't ambitious because he leaves each individual person with 75 drachmas. (Act III, scene 2, lines 240-242) Caesar also leaves his private arbors and newly planted orchards for the people's pleasure. (Act III, scene 2, lines 247-252) I think that when people play with other people's emotions, the person who is being persuaded feels bad for the other person and tries to help them the best they can, but if you try to play with a person's emotion too much, it can become like the little boy who cried wolf, and nobody will want to help you anymore. Some experiences I've witnessed are my younger step-brother playing with his mom's emotions by saying that if she buys this for him, then he will love her forever. Also, when she doesnt't buy him things, he tries to play with her emotions to get his way by saying things like if you loved me you would buy this for me.
Brooke Tager
Brooke Tager
Reply to Matthew Kilgore:
I think that the only reason Antony even brought up the will was to get the people on his side and not Brutus' side. He did this to really win them over, but otherwise, the deed wasn't needed.
Brooke Tager:
Respond to Josh Tedder:
I think that Antony was really sad when Caesar died. I don't think that was a way he used to try to win over the crowd. I also think that Caesar really did care about the people and wanted the best for them and Rome.
Gibb Stuckey
I think that Anthony is very smart in the way he prosuades the crowd. Anthony never says that what Brutus and the Conspirators did was wrong but he strongly impiles it.
Hailey Newman
Antony uses persuasive techniques in his speech to the crowd by playing with the emotions of the people. He doesn't just say what he thinks, he gets all choked up and sobs from the loss of a dear friend, but Caesar was a friend to all Roman citizens. At Caesar's funeral, Antony mentions the robe that Caesar wore upon the day of his death and raises it high above so that all the crowd may see the bloody cloth. I think this was the one most persuasive material he used to capture the attention and hearts of the people. He pointed to each precise location of each of the daggers' holes and spoke of the treachery behind the evil act. He also mentions how the hole that Brutus had made, that killed Caesar, was the most unkindest stabs of all because Caesar trusted Brutus and he went against him. Emotional appeals work best in persuasion because people have been in very similar situations or that exact situation, or they may just want change in their world. Either way, emotion touches the heart, and it draws people in like fish on a hook. Antony played on people's emotions through the evidence that they loved Caesar, and that Caesar was willing the hand over orchards and land on the other side of the Tiber in his will. People saw this as a sign that Caesar was the great man they had once believed him to be. He was a fair and honest ruler. Although, sometimes when people play the emotions too often you soon build up the tolerence against the guilt and emotions. Through past experiences with my ex-boyfriend, I built up a tolerance from him being able to persuade me into certain troubles I didn't want to be a part of. He would try talking me into going out to parties with him and he would play the emotions on me saying,"If you love me you will", or "It hurts the way you don't trust me, and I know you don't want me anymore." Eventually I cut the figurative leash from my neck and did things my way.
Hailey Newman
Reply to Ashley Wisenant:
I also think one of the most persuasive things Antony had used was the sharing of the will because it brought forth the attention of the people and it implies that the Roman citizens will have a share in some of the property of the king, but I also think it could be because of the Robe Antony held up. He used the emotion against the people through using the guilt trip. He acted like Brutus should feel so guilty for what he had done, knowing that he was Caesar's friend and Caesar loved him. Antony used this to get the crowd to believe that Brutus should be the one to blame and he succeeded.
Hailey Newman
Reply to Alena Senf:
I strongly agree with the Children commercials. Most people immediately feel the impact of the kind of hurt they must be experiencing. It reminds me of the abused animals commercials showing the stories of some of the animals. The meer idea of the accidents those poor creatures have lived through really touches people around the world and it instantly makes you want to join in any way possible to help and care for the harmed.
Antony plays the crowd's emotions during his speech. He knows how easy it is to change the crowd's opinion, so he plays the guilty card and makes them feel bad for Caesar. He shows them that Caesar really wasn’t all that ambitious and that the conspiracy never had any good reason to kill him. I think the most persuasive thing Antony did was when he showed the crowd the holes in Caesar’s rob from when the conspiracy stabbed him. I also think another thing that won the crowd over was in lines 105-107 Act 3, Scene 2 when Antony got all “emotional” and told them he needed to take a minute because he was so upset. Appealing to people’s emotions works well because a lot of times people let their emotions get the best of them or control their decisions. If you’re upset and you’re friends call you to hang out your more likely to say no because you just want to stay home and mourn. I think Antony appealing to the crowd’s emotions worked well because they truly did love Caesar and he made them realize that he wasn’t killed for their own good but he was murdered brutally. By showing the crowd Caesar’s holes in his robe and showing them that Caesar really wasn’t ambitious like Brutus said it made them mad and want to get back at the conspirators. It also worked because Antony showed emotion in his speech which made him seem relatable to the crowd because they were also in mourning. The crowd believed in Antony’s words because they believed that he truly cared and that everything he said was true and he was there for them. Right now Antony has the crowd right where he wants them, they are like putty in his hand. This reminds me of that saying “what goes around comes around” which in a way could be foreshadowing I think conspirators are going to get what they deserve. An example of people playing to my emotions is when my friends would become mad at someone else who I really didn’t know and they would talk about them. They would tell me about all of the horrible things this person has done to them and how this person is such an awful person. So of course I would believe my friend and I would judge the person without even getting to know them. Then at some point I’d end up having a class with them or getting to know them and I realize that they weren’t actually that bad of a person and I got to hear their side of the story. You can’t judge someone based on someone else’s opinion, you need to get to know them and don’t let your emotions effect your decisions.
Re: Ashley Whisenant
I didn’t even think about the will being persuasive towards the crowd until I read your comment. I also think that showing the crowd his emotions during the speech was also very persuasive. I agree I also said that showing the crowd the holes in Caesar’s robe changed the crowd’s mind. Also adding to what you said about people persuading you, people like to use you to get what you want. I liked your example too haha. (:
Hali Wilson
Antony uses many different techniques to persuade the crowd when speaking at Caesar’s funeral. He uses verbal irony in lines 128-129 on page 914 when he says that he found Caesar’s will, but then in line 140 he refuses to read it. I think the most persuasive thing that Antony did was to bring up all of the good things that Caesar did for Rome. He used the persuasive appeal logos to give prove that Caesar cared for the people and with all these examples he proved that Caesar wasn’t as “ambitious” as Brutus and the conspirators said. I think that the emotional appeal pathos works the most effectively to persuade people because once you stir someone up and make them feel a certain way about an idea you can make them believe anything. Antony used pathos when he shows the plebeians Caesar’s robe that he was wearing when he was murdered. In line 169 on page 916 he says “If you have tears, prepare to shed them now.” I think Antony was getting the crowd to feel the emotions he wanted them to feel. My personal experiences are sometimes on the softball field or the volleyball court the other team would manipulate my feelings when we get down in points or when I make a mistake.
Hali Wilson
Alexis Ricard:
I understand your experiences with your coaches. My coaches do the same thing. I think it is helpful but sometimes it can hurt people’s confidence. Sometimes coaches can get a little overbearing with their power.
Patrick Price
Antony uses persuasive techniques to make the crowd feel bad for Caesar and make the crowd dislike Caesar. I think the most persuasive thing Antony did was to bring up the will. It really got the crowd fired up. I think that emotional appeals work well because everybody can connect with it. When people play to emotions too much the other people tend to catch on to what you are doing. I can't think of an experiance like this.
Patrick Price
Reply Joshua Tedder
I disagree with you, I think that Caesar really did care for the commoners. Like when he left them on his will.
Alena Senf
Re:Marcus Weeks
I agree that Antony was very clever about his speech, but I disagree about pathos. I don't think that Antony was trying to get people to feel sympathy for Caesar, but grief. I think that he wanted the people to be sad that Caesar was killed and to go against the conspirators. They might have felt sympathy for Caesar, but I don't think that was the point of using pathos in his speech.
Nathan Leaphart
Antony's task of persuading the plebeians was not a very big one, in my opinion. In the very first scene of the play, you can tell the plebeians don't have a very one way look on politics. The plebeians are not as open minded as they are naive. However, there were many tactics of persuasion that Antony utilizes to point the plebeians in his direction. Antony doesn't really use Ethos, or credibility, in his words to help his own reputation, but he uses it against Brutus. Antony uses Ethos against Brutus by using verbal irony by constantly stating, “Brutus is an honorable man" (used throughout his speech) which helped the plebeians question Brutus' credibility. Antony, himself, is credible because of his political and social status. Everyone in Rome already knew the Antony was the closet to Caesar, kind of like the vice president and the president. Antony also uses Pathos (emotional connection) and Logos (logical conclusions) in his speech. His use of Logos is best shown by the section of his speech on page 913. Lines 95-98 are a prime example of this. In these lines Antony picks a specific event, Festival of Lupercal, that everyone knows about, so nobody is left behind wondering "What?". Antony's use of specific, non-vague, events helps his logic. Antony's use of Pathos is present throughout the speech. Antony was deeply depressed over his friend's death, but I do think he does exaggerate his emotions in the speech. On Lines 105-107 he uses the oldest play in the book to stir up emotion, the dramatic pause. Personally, I don't think that the well-kept Antony, who was able to form a great speech right after his friend's death, needs a break for his "heart to come back to him." However, this plays in his favor, because the naive plebeians don't pick up on it. He also uses Pathos with the help of Caesar's will. The will states (Lines 242, 248-249) that every citizen gets 75 drachmas and shares Caesar's orchards with all other citizens. The will helps to manifest a feeling of love in the plebeians. He also uses the bloody robe of Caesar (Lines 196-197) to help the plebeians to feel the betrayal that dying Caesar felt. This outraged them even more. Antony was also easily able to persuade the plebeians, by using verbal irony such as on Line 216. Mutiny was inevitable when Antony took the stage.
Pathos is like salt, you need to be careful how much you use. Ethos, Pathos, and Logos all intertwine with one another. Using too much Pathos can turn people away from your cause and damage your reputation, Ethos. Commercials that try to get you to donate money are a prime example. I can't watch those commercials, so most of the time I mute the TV or change the channel. How are you going to get somebody to donate if they mute of change the channel every time your commercial comes up? To conclude, Pathos is a very important part of your persuasion, but using too much can damage it.
Morgan Mims
Antony uses persuasive techniques by playing with the crowd’s emotions. He uses the persuasive technique of pathos by changing how the crowd feels about the conspirators and their reason for killing Caesar. He persuades the crowd to turn against the conspirators. He also uses the technique of ethos because he knows what he’s talking about. I think the most persuasive thing that Antony did was when he used Caesar’s will to win the crowd over. In Act III, Scene 2 ll. 247-252 he tells the people what Caesar is leaving them and he tells them that if he was ambitious, he would not have done this. I think it works well to use emotional appeal because people are very easily to persuade when you do it through their emotions. Antony played with the people’s emotions by telling them how Caesar being dead is going to affect their lives. When people play with emotions too often than it may become too unbelievable. A time when I persuaded someone was when I was trying to persuade my mom to get me a new shirt. I told her that if she bought it for me than I would do anything she asked me to do for the next week.
Nathan Leaphart
Reply to Maggie Smith-
I really don't think the plebeians were stupid, but that they were naive. There is a difference. Shakespeare did his homework, so he knew that in ancient Rome the plebeians were often pushed out of politics, so they probably grew immune to having their own opinion. That is why I think the plebeians in the play are easily persuaded, because they are based on the real plebeians. The real life Caesar utilized their ignorance to politics by bribing them with grain and well-needed food, but I do, however, believe he cared for them and he knew the importance of their section in Roman society.
Morgan Mims
Reply to Hali Wilson
I also agree that it was a god persuasive technique to tell the commoners about the will and then change his mind about reading it. But I think that the most important thing was when he actually read out the will to the crowd so they could see what Caesar felt and what he left them.
Laken May
Antony used persuasion by pathos, toying with their emotions and putting words into the crowds’ mouth. The most persuasive thing that Antony did was pointing out only the good things that Caesar did, glorifying him in front of the audience. I believe that people most commonly use the pathos technique because emotions are often the main thing controlling people’s actions; therefore if you control the emotions, you control the person. However, if you manipulate someone too often its possible that you could loose the trust of whom you’re persuading. My mother always wants me to go places with her and I always want to stay home, she always finds a way to get me to come with her saying I’ll have fun and maybe we can stop someplace for me. For the record: I never have fun, and we most certainly do not stop someplace for me.
Nathan Leaphart
Reply to Brooke Tager-
I don't think the will helped Caesar look less ambitious, but that it added to Antony's call for mutiny. I think the will was kind of a bribe for the plebeians to join Antony's side, and it helped the plebeians feel loved. I actually don't really know if the will was fake or not, but it dramatically changed the plebeians look on the conspirators. The will helped the artist (Antony) mold the massive glob of clay (The plebeians) into exactly what he wanted.
Reply to Lexi Ricard:
I never really noticed how coach led us to try harder by using pathos. Now that you mention it, she does always seem to find a polite way to tell us that we could be doing much better than we are. And even though I feel like I'm doing my best, the way she says it makes sense ands makes us all push harder and do better.
Laken May
Antony uses words to persuade but he also uses examples of the things that Caesar does good. He uses the will to get them on his side. Because people will feel sorry for you and come to your side. He made them feel sorry for Caesar. When you play your emotions too often people begin to think less of you and think you are a con artist. When I try to to get something from my parents and I suck up too much and they say no, lol. Josh Reeves
Ashley Whisenant
Re: Maggie Smith
I agree, but i think another persuasive thing that Antony did at the funeral was when he showed the crowd Caesar's robe. He showed where each of the conspirators stabbed Ceasar and this made the crowd furious with the conspirators.
Antony is being persuasive through his entire speech basically, especially on pages 912-913. He's touching people's emotions by trying to convince them that Caesar wasn't ambitious as Brutus said, instead he was honorable. He used examples, of when Caesar was nice and such He's using verbal irony by saying the opposite of what he's really trying to get them to understand. When people play with other people's emotions though, it makes the person who was being played rather angry. Makes it seem like you're being manipulative, not persuasive.
Will Overton
Antony uses many persuasive techniques to get the crowd on his side. He shows the crowd Caesar's fatal stab wounds which is a visual technique, it shows the horror of what the conspirators did. He also uses irony, when he said "Brutus is a honorable man" which makes the crowd think why would thy do it, if they were honorable. One time someone persuaded me to give them money so they could buy something from a vending machine, he said that he was really thirsty and kept asking, and I bought into it.
Reply to Gibb Stuckey:
Persuades, not prosuades. And I think it's true, he doesn't come out and say that the conspirators are to blame for everything, but I feel like Antony is being sarcastic when he says that Brutus is noble and such.
Antony seems to be the absolute master of the art of cruel irony, he keeps saying things such as "Caesar promised us all 75 drachmas, this does not sound ambitious!" but then saying something along the lines of "Brutus however, says he was ambitious, and Brutus is an honourable man." which entices the plebs to mutiny against the conspirators even more so than Antony just going in front of them and saying "The conspirators were wrong! Go hit stuff!" (that is technically what he was saying, even though he wouldn't have admitted to it.). People often use pathos to convince people to side with one side of an argument effectively because most plebeians are weak-minded, emotional fools who wish to just hear what they wish to hear and nothing but it. Meaning that when they hear something that appeals to their emotions, they will do anything to forward that goal. As stated in page 913, lines 85-99 where he denies Caesars ambition (slyly) is the point where Lady Luck turns away from the conspirators and the plebeians see exactly how Caesar had been wronged, this is what I believe is Antony's most persuasive thing. Antony played to their sense of loyalty to Caesar and their moral standards. When you build a dynasty on emotions, you have built a castle upon a foundation of sand. It may seem stable when you do not move, but it is shifty and unstable, constantly switching sides of the mountain until the castle crumbles, unable to keep with the sands changing positions. I have, sadly, no prior experiences to playing to other emotions too much because of my strong stance upon telling the blunt truth, applied not like a soft brush, but a crude cudgel; often infuriating or devastating the hearing side. As such I find myself unable to answer the last part.
--Marshal Singleton
Will Overton
To: Joshua Tedder
Antony doesnt really seem like he is trying to play their emotions, It seems like is trying use proof of what happened, like the wounds and the will.
Reply to Kaitlin Phillips:
I would have to disagree with you on your last thought, being good with playing towards emotion means that the person being manipulated almost never feels as if they have been used until they are convinced so, for example, the plebs were for the conspirators until Antony's speech convinces them that they'd been had.
--Marshal Singleton
Garrett Chassereau
Antony uses repetition to persuade the crowd. He also uses the will of Caesar to persuade them. I think the most persuasive thing that Antony did was mention the will. Because when people start thinking about something or start feelig bad about something they are more likely to give in. Antony played with people's emotions by, talking about how Caesar did nothing wrong and that the conspirators shouldnt have killed him. When people play with people's emotions to often then the people start figuring out what their goal is. Like when i want something i say i just did that for you, and the least that you can do is do this for me.
Josh Swearingen
In his speech, Antony played to the plebian's emotions by showing them Caesar's dead body, and telling them where each persons blade entered. Antony easily persuaded them, because they were fickle, and not very smart to begin with. During his speech, he used verble irony, by telling the plebians that he wishes not to stir their emotions, while manipulatively trying to begin a civil war. Although Antony's love for Caesar is genuin, I believe that some parts of Antony's speech are show, and he is trying to stir the commoners. I can relate this to my life, because whenever the Adpot-a-Dog commercials come on, the makers make you feel sympathy for the dogs by showing pictures of beaten and abused dogs.
Garrett Chassereau
Carter: I agree with you. I think that the will was the big thing that got the commoners really thinking about how much Caesar cared about them, and how much he left them.
Josh Swearingen reply to Matthew Kilgore
Although i agree that saying his heart is in the coffin with Caesar, I disagree that this is the most effective persuasive line in his speech. I think the thing that had the most effect, was when Antony introduced the will, because it really made the commoners love Caesar more, and infuriated the crowd, because they feel that the conspirators did wrong by killing a man that was so generous.
Monecia Bryant
Antony used three types of persuasive techniques in his speech. He uses ethos by tell the crowd how him and Caesar were such good friends, so they know that what Antony is saying must be true. Another technique is pathos; he appeals to the crowds emotions like in Act III Scene 2 line 210. The last technique he uses is logos Antony uses logos when he compares the things Brutus says in his speech about Caesar to how Caesar really was. I think the most persuasive thing Antony did in his speech was using verbal irony and pathos to get the plebeians against the conspirators. Using emotional appeals work very well to persuade people because it gets a reaction from the crowd or they can relate to what you’re saying. Antony played to the people’s emotions by using verbal irony and using contradicting examples that the people could understand without saying what he really felt. Using pathos to much can cause a crowd to loss interest in what you have to say, this happens to me when someone is talking about something and it starts to make me mad, I don’t want to listen to what they have to say anymore.
Carter Tetanich
discard my first post.
Antony uses persuasive techniques to make the crowd lift up Caesar's name and dislike the conspirators.
Antony uses ethos to pursuade the crowd by saying that he presented him the kingly crown 3 times but Caesar did not take it and when he brings up the will.(lines 95-100 and 240-242, pg 913 and 918)He also uses Ethos when the crowd is asking for him to speak in lines 71,73 and he uses Pathos when he brings up the holes that have ben stabbed in Caesar, Look in the place ran Cassius dagger through. ( lines 174-178, pg 916)The most persuasive thing I think Antony did was bring up Caesar's will. I think emotions can take over someone's mind and make them do things they would not have done if they weren't so emotional. When people play to emotions too much, the people they are trying to pursued can catch on to what they are doing. Antony does a great job of persuading the people just enough to make them love Caesar again. One time when I was going to buy a pair of sunglasses from a kid he kept on asking me when I could get them. I finally told him that he was bugging me too much and that i wasn't interested anymore. It ends up that he stole the sunglasses from someone and he wanted to get rid of them before he found out.
Monecia Bryant
Response to Caitly Taylor; I also have had problems with friends that try to make it seem like something was my fault and it really wasn't. It usually is over something small at first, but then blows up causing us to lose trust and sometimes even our friendship. I don't like when that happens but after awhile there is nothing you can do change someone's mind to believe the truth and you don't want to deal with the drama anymore.
Jessica Veronee
You can tell that Antony really had a heart for Caesar by his speech. He used deep emotion to move the crowd and make them feel the hurt that he was feeling. He used verbal irony and turned the crowds minds and feelings into exactly what he wanted them to be. He said lots of things to win the crowd over like "Brutus was an honorable man " " and when he showed the crowd where each conspirator had stabbed Caesar. I think the thing that persuaded the crowd the most was when he gave examples of Caesar being kind and caring to the people like bring captives into Rome, creating a welfare system so that no one would go hungry. I think that really showed the crowd Caesar was a good man. I think that pathos work so well is because it really makes people listen to you when you show emotion and passion for something. It also moves the crowd with you and makes them feel as you feel. Antony used this technique by showing the bloody cloak that Caesar was stabbed in, also by telling the people all the good deeds Casear had done for them. When people play their emotions to much it makes them look like they want attention and that they are fake. When you play you're emotions too much people will stop listening and caring. They will see that you're just manipulating them in a way. My sister does this to my mom. Whenever I hit her, she cries to my mother and persuaded my mom that I hit her really, really hard when in all reality I did not.
To Laken May;
I agree with you Laken that if you manipulate someone too often its possible that you could loose the trust of whom you’re persuading. The more you do it and overdo it the more that person gets tired of hear it, almost like the boy who cried wolf.
To Laken May;
I agree with you Laken that if you manipulate someone too often its possible that you could loose the trust of whom you’re persuading. The more you do it and overdo it the more that person gets tired of hear it, almost like the boy who cried wolf.
Joshua Tedder
Response to Alexis Ricard
I agree with her that Casear was very persuasive. Caesar could have abused his power. The people might have overthrown him if he got to persuasive. The commoners would finally probably figure out what he was doing
Megan Jumer
Antony plays with the peoples emotions at Caesars funeral . I think the most persuasive thing Antony did was say that Caesar wasn't ambitious, basically putting down what Brutus has said . Pathos works well because everyone has emotions && its easy to manipulate someones emotions just by what you say . What happens when you play with emotions to often is they start to realize they are being controlled emotionally && will start to disbelieve you . Once, this girl would tell me all these things to get me angry at someone else, && one day she tried to get me mad at my best friend && I realized what she had been doing .
Morgan Shumpert
I personally think that Antony used all three different types of persuasive speech. He uses ethos because since he was so close to Caesar the Plebeians had respect for him. Also he used pathos because he used the will to keep the peoples attention and he wanted to use that will to show that Caesar did care for them and that he only wanted what was best for them. The last type he used was logos because he claimed that he was going to get revenge on the conspirators and he did just that by killing their people which in return made Cassius and Brutus kill themselves. I think the most persuasive thing was that Antony didn't completely (for the lack of a better word) "bash" Brutus and the conspirators he casually changed the Plebian's minds into what he wanted them to think. I think using pathos works so well because you are making the audience feel needed. Antony played on their emotions by telling them what they wanted to hear which in return he got respect for. When you play on people's emotions too much you are going to turn the person away from your cause because they will eventually catch on. One example could be when my little brother asks me to do him a favor and he "brown noses" to try and make me feel good about myself but once I caught on I knew that when he started giving me complements that just meant he wanted something.
Morgan Shumpert
Reply to Alexis Ricard:
I agree with what you are saying, Antony did talk about the good things that Caesar did so the people could see the good side! Good observation I didnt really think about that until i read your answer. I also like the figurative language you used to explain your answer: about the putty in your hands!
Antony uses his persuasive techniques to make them feel bad for Caesar and turn against the conspirators. He became very emotional in his speech and he also brought up the will. I think using emotions to move the people works really well because it shows that you care. He played to the people’s emotions by sparking up his own emotions and then using the will to spark up theirs. When people play to emotions to often they start to think and relies that you’re acting.
Reply to Carter: I agree with you. The will I think sparked up the people's emotions because they saw what all Casesar had left for them and they then wanted to kill the caspiritors.
jr, nava
Antony would persuade the crowd about how good Cesear was and won the crowd over.i think that the most persuasive thing Antony did was use the card with Caesars wills on it.i think that pathos works well because it finds a way to stir you up about a topic which leads to other things. Antony played the peoples emotions by telling them things like i got this card, but if i read it to you, you'll start to not like the conspirators, which i don't want to happen. they don't work as well.
Antony uses persuasive techniques in his dealings with the crowd at Caesar’s funeral because he plays people emotions he also uses his authority figure in the government and his education to persuade because people believed because he was a higher up in class that he had a better education so everything he said must be correct. I think using pathos to persuade works well because seeing people’s emotion and how whatever they are trying to get across is affecting them they begin to feel sorry for that person and begin to wanting to help them even if it means become something or someone they are not. If people start to play others emotions to much then it can cause people to begin to notice and they start to think you’re a drama queen or you over-react about everything and you begin to lose trust from the people around you. For example, when I was little I was very open minded and my ‘best friend’ took advantage of that and began turning me into something that I am not. I knew she was doing it but I just wanted to fit in so everything seemed normal. But until I moved here I was just someone for her to manipulate and I realize that now.
Austin Wise:
Antony uses all three persuasion techniques to make the crowd of plebeians feel sympathy for Caesar. I think that the reading of Caesar's will. When the crowd hered that every Roman would be payed a sum of money, they could no longer think Caesar was ambitious. I think that using pathos works when persuasing people because it can cause people to often feel guilty. Antony does this when he says, " when the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept; Ambition should be made of sterner stuff." People start to feel bad that they had thought that Caesar was ambitious. They also star to get mad at the conspiritors. When someone plays people's emotions too often, I think people start to lose intrest and stop listening.
Anthony uses what he knows about the peoples feelings towards Caesar to win them over. He knows that when he starts talking about how the conspirators killed Caesars and on false accusations. Like when he says that Brutus says that Caesar would have become power hungry but Brutus is and honorable man so he can't be wrong. He used pathos the most when he says that he has Caesar's will and that he doesn't want the people to rage against Brutus and the others. When the polls for president came out my dad used what he knew and what i didn't understand to convince me that i should be a republican even though i can't vote yet.
I'm Julius Caesar. Booooo, I'm a ghost.
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